MSCC, Sharon Jasprizza, Event Date: September 3, 2024
SUMMARY
- Rob Robinson, Human Rights Advocate: There are concerns regarding the judicial system, specifically the increasing presence of conservative judges, and its impact on social issues like homelessness and housing rights The importance of knowledge as a tool for empowerment for all as many individuals remain unaware of their rights and available resources, which can lead to their ongoing struggles. There is a need for frontline workers to share valuable information, as often staff in shelters may not be fully aware of the resources available to the people they serve.
- John Massingale, an architect and urban designer: Concerns about the evolving landscape of the city over the past two decades, particularly the push for large-scale redevelopment projects that threaten housing and small businesses. There is a need for ongoing grassroots efforts to protect community resources and advocate for sustainable urban planning
CHAIR: John Mudd
SECRETARY: Sharon Jasprizza
POLICY MEETING UPDATES
There were no updates for the 8:30 AM Homeless and Housing Policy meeting.
AUGUST HIGHLIGHTS
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CRIMINALIZATION FOR BEING HOMELESS
In the recent meeting, Mayor Adams proposed a review of 177,000 city-owned properties to explore opportunities for new housing. This initiative was positively received, with attendees expressing a sense of urgency about addressing housing needs that should have been tackled earlier.
Dana, a participant, initially hesitated to share highlights but soon emphasized her commitment to researching housing issues. She noted the pressing need for 24,001 one-bedroom and studio apartments to help people secure stable housing. Dana expressed her belief in the power of knowledge and her dedication to supporting individuals in need.
D, from the Home Sport unit, provided insights into their work with landlords to facilitate apartment availability for clients transitioning out of shelters. D discussed the challenges faced in convincing landlords to collaborate with the city while highlighting the importance of educating both landlords and clients about available resources and the financial benefits of helping those in need.
The meeting focused on an upcoming training session aimed at educating the homeless about their rights, health, and housing matters. This training, which is free and conducted via Zoom, also extends to landlords and real estate brokers, ensuring they are informed about the challenges faced by the homeless population.
A key point made was the importance of knowledge as a tool for empowerment; many individuals remain unaware of their rights and available resources, which can lead to their ongoing struggles. The discussion emphasized the need for frontline workers to share valuable information, as often staff in shelters may not be fully aware of the resources available to the people they serve.
Tina, a participant, expressed her willingness to conduct a presentation on available resources to help bridge this knowledge gap. She also shared her passion for helping others, despite her shyness in public speaking.
The meeting addressed the frustration and challenges faced by homeless individuals, noting that many may experience crises, including mental health breakdowns. It was stressed that homelessness can arise from various circumstances, and empathy is crucial in understanding their situations.
The conversation also highlighted the need to engage landlords and real estate professionals to secure more affordable housing for the homeless. Efforts are being made to recruit landlords and connect with them through real estate events and affordable housing conferences to facilitate partnerships with the City of New York.
Overall, the meeting underscored the collective responsibility of educating both the homeless community and those in the real estate sector to foster better understanding and facilitate solutions to housing challenges.
The meeting began with a warm introduction and appreciation for the efforts of all participants, particularly highlighting the contributions of Dena from an agency. The discussion quickly shifted to updates from Peter Cook, who was expected to provide insights into his interfaith work but was momentarily unavailable.
Rashida Tyler, the project coordinator for the Interfaith Affordable Housing Collaborative, provided an update on upcoming statewide meetings focused on affordable housing initiatives, particularly the Faith-Based Affordable Housing Act. The first meeting of the housing committee is scheduled for September 9th, followed by a statewide meeting on September 24th.
The conversation then turned to the issue of homelessness, with Rob discussing recent legal developments surrounding the criminalization of homelessness. He referenced a significant Supreme Court case, Johnson vs. Grant’s Pass, which ruled in favor of individuals experiencing homelessness who were being ticketed for sleeping on the streets. This case has the potential to influence similar laws across the country.
Rob also shared that he is involved with the Institute for Global Homelessness and is part of a collective preparing a formal complaint to the UN regarding the treatment of homeless individuals. He emphasized the importance of being aware of Supreme Court appointments and their implications.
There are concerns regarding the judicial system, specifically the increasing presence of conservative judges, and its impact on social issues like homelessness and housing rights. A speaker highlighted the troubling trend of criminalizing homelessness while failing to provide adequate alternatives for shelter, referencing international human rights laws that obligate governments to ensure housing for all citizens. A complaint regarding these issues is set to be formalized and submitted to the UN High Commissioner’s office.
BETH ISRAEL
Beth Israel Hospital is facing potential closure and land development threats. This hospital has been a crucial resource for the community, particularly for those experiencing homelessness. Despite efforts to halt its closure, ongoing developments continue to threaten its existence
NYC POOR DEVELOPMENT POLICIES: CITY OF YES, DEMOLITION OF NYCHA, MIDTOWN UPZONING
- John Massingale, an architect and urban designer, expressed concerns about the evolving landscape of the city over the past two decades, particularly the push for large-scale redevelopment projects that threaten housing and small businesses. This conversation reflects ongoing grassroots efforts to protect community resources and advocate for sustainable urban planning
- The upcoming multi-part series titled “The City of Yes” delves into the complex changes to New York City’s zoning code, particularly focusing on the extensive revisions proposed under Mayor Adams’s initiative. The series, which spans three parts and includes around 1,400 pages of revisions, critiques the implications of these changes, especially the third part that addresses housing opportunities, deemed the most controversial and consequential
- The initial sections of the series outline the New York City Council’s approval of amendments to the planning and zoning overhaul, emphasizing the dichotomy between the promise of increased housing and the reality that many revisions may benefit luxury real estate developers. The critique highlights how the proposed changes could exacerbate housing affordability issues, leading to further displacement of lower-income residents in favor of high-profit luxury developments
- The series argues that the emphasis on property taxes as a primary revenue source for the city has significantly empowered major real estate players, who prioritize profit over the historical need for affordable housing and industrial space. This development trend, characterized by luxury towers marketed to wealthy investors, reflects a shift towards what the author describes as a “real estate state,” where the interests of a powerful few dictate urban policy and development
- Through a detailed analysis, the series aims to clarify the broader implications of the City of Yes initiative and its potential to reshape not only the physical landscape of New York but also its socioeconomic dynamics. The conversation around these developments continues to stir controversy, as stakeholders from various sides engage with the ramifications of this ambitious, yet contentious, urban planning endeavor
- The discussion focuses on the development of super tall residential towers on Billionaires’ Row in New York City, highlighting how one particular building became the most profitable in the city’s history. The narrative traces the evolution of zoning laws, beginning with former Mayor Rudy Giuliani’s planning commissioner, Joe Rose, who attempted to impose restrictions on such developments but was thwarted by powerful real estate developers
- When Mayor Michael Bloomberg took office, he continued to support luxury real estate projects, driven by a neoliberal approach that favored public-private partnerships. His administration prioritized large-scale, high-end developments over affordable housing, leading to projects like Hudson Yards and Atlantic Yards. This shift resulted in the construction of expensive apartments that ultimately displaced existing low-income residents, despite the introduction of inclusionary housing regulations
- Mayor Bill de Blasio initially aimed to create more affordable housing but aligned with big real estate interests, believing that increasing the overall housing supply would trickle down to affordability. However, this strategy failed, as seen in developments in Long Island City where luxury units led to skyrocketing rents and a loss of diversity in the community
- The construction of the 932-foot tower at 220 Central Park South exemplifies this trend, replacing a 20-story rental building with fewer apartments, a significant portion of which had been rent-stabilized. Overall, the narrative underscores the ongoing tension between luxury development and the preservation of affordable housing in New York City
- The discussion centers around the sale of a luxury apartment in a new building in New York City for $238 million, highlighting the growing issue of income inequality and the housing crisis. The speaker critiques “trickle-down” economic theories, likening them to the absurdity of expecting that increasing the supply of luxury cars would lower prices for all. They reference the historical context of Reaganomics, which, according to them, widened the wealth gap rather than benefiting the middle class
- In cities like New York and Vancouver, which attract wealthy global investors, there is a significant shortage of affordable housing. The speaker argues that while some cities can expand into cheaper land, Manhattan’s desirability leads to increased costs and a focus on building taller, more expensive towers. These developments often come without requirements for affordable housing and exacerbate the existing housing crisis
- The commentary also points out that Manhattan’s Upper West and East Sides are already among the densest neighborhoods in the Western world, yet developers continue to push for larger buildings that prioritize profits over the needs of the community. The discussion concludes with a call for solutions that prioritize affordable housing and improve the overall quality of life in New York City, emphasizing the need for a thoughtful approach to urban development
- In this discussion, Rob expresses gratitude towards John for referencing his colleague Sam Stein, highlighting their collaborative work in community organizing and academia. Rob emphasizes the need for the community to focus on solutions to the homelessness crisis, rather than merely identifying problems. He argues that the current for-profit development model fails to address the need for truly affordable housing and suggests that the key issue is how to remove land from the market to create self-governed communities
- He points out the extreme real estate market in Manhattan, where even one-story buildings are sold for exorbitant prices, making affordable housing increasingly unattainable. Rob believes that the responsibility for finding solutions lies with the community, rather than the government or large developers, urging collective action to tackle the housing crisis
- Lila then adds her perspective, supporting Rob’s call for solutions and introducing her involvement with a community land trust, which she believes could be part of the answer. She defends public housing, arguing that while the New York City Housing Authority (NYCHA) faces management issues, public housing itself is a successful model globally and should be advocated for. Lila points out the political challenges in securing federal support for New York’s housing needs, highlighting the need for a shift in how housing is discussed and prioritized
- The discussion centers around the urgent need to reframe housing policy in New York, particularly in relation to funding and economic arguments. It suggests that similar to transportation, which receives significant federal funding due to its economic importance, housing should also be viewed as a critical component of the economic engine of the Northeast. The argument posits that a strong workforce in the region necessitates adequate housing, which should be supported by federal funding
- The speakers advocate for alternative housing solutions, such as Community Land Trusts and public housing, rather than relying on the free market, which they argue is indifferent to housing quality and focused solely on profit. The sentiment is that the narrative surrounding housing needs to shift from one of decay to one of economic necessity to gain traction with economists and politicians
- Additionally, there is acknowledgment of the well-organized opposition from big real estate interests, emphasizing the need for a robust counterargument to their simplistic “build, build, build” mantra. The conversation also touches upon the historical context of New York’s urban development and the importance of understanding this history to inform current housing policies and decisions
- There are complexities of urban development and zoning in New York City, specifically addressing the reasons behind the popularity of certain neighborhoods and the challenges of building affordable housing. Mark Lavine highlights misconceptions about New York’s architectural history, emphasizing that the city’s development has prioritized sunlight and street character over tall buildings
- The “City of Yes” initiative aims to reform an outdated zoning system that hampers housing production, particularly affordable housing. Proposals include easing regulations for faith-based properties to convert into affordable housing and allowing the transfer of development rights to generate revenue for maintaining places of worship. However it seems the underlying motive is profit not affordable housing
- Participants express optimism about increasing housing density in outer boroughs, with the potential to build taller structures, yet skepticism remains regarding the viability of these proposals. Concerns are raised about whether developers will commit to affordable housing when financial incentives do not require it, underscoring the ongoing tension between market interests and the need for inclusive housing solutions
- In a discussion about affordable housing in New York City, the speaker highlights the significance of building in the outer boroughs, where land and construction costs are lower. They advocate for increasing the construction of five-story walkup buildings, which are the most cost-effective housing option. Community groups can be involved in this process, as opposed to relying solely on large developers
- The speaker points out that affordable housing in NYC mainly relies on limited subsidies, which are in high demand and take years to secure. They emphasize that building “as of right” is relatively straightforward in the city, but complications arise when special permits are needed—often a hurdle that primarily affects smaller projects. The speaker critiques the current zoning framework, suggesting it favors large real estate interests over community-driven developments
- Additionally, they express concern over the city’s failure to address existing housing issues, such as tenant protections and the misuse of vacant properties. They recount experiences of illegal evictions and the prioritization of commercial development over residential needs. The discussion also touches on opportunities for places of worship to utilize vacant land, noting that current zoning restrictions hinder broader development efforts. Overall, the speaker calls for a reformed approach to urban planning that prioritizes community needs over profit-driven motives The speaker discusses the concept of transferring density rights in relation to the preservation of landmark properties, arguing that it benefits overall land development. They clarify that while there is a preference for affordable housing in developments near places of worship or campuses, there is no legal mandate to include it. The speaker advocates for a stronger mandate for affordable housing initiatives, countering the Department of City Planning’s assertion that such mandates are unconstitutional. They believe that the Supreme Court should be asked to weigh in on the issue rather than self-censoring
- The speaker highlights examples from other municipalities that successfully impose affordable housing mandates. They also criticize the notion that inclusionary zoning adversely affects housing production, citing research indicating that this approach can actually drive up market rates, making housing less accessible. They argue that housing should not be treated purely as a commodity, as its value often extracts wealth from the community. The speaker emphasizes the need for affordable housing and invites collaboration to address the housing crisis, suggesting that there is common ground on the issue
- In response to a follow-up question, the speaker confirms that they believe the current requirements for building units in certain areas linked to affordability are inadequate and that a stronger mandate is necessary
- The discussion focuses on the relationship between housing development, affordability, and market incentives. It argues that to build three to five-story units in certain areas, stronger affordability mandates are necessary. Currently, developers, driven by lenders who prioritize profit and risk minimization, may favor constructing 100% market-rate housing instead of affordable units. The lender’s perspective is that the financial benefits of market-rate projects outweigh uncertainties associated with affordable housing incentives, which may be subject to changes in legislation
- The conversation highlights a divide between market motivations—where housing is seen as a profit opportunity—and the societal need for affordable housing. Advocates stress the importance of policy-making that prioritizes the greater good over financial returns. Additionally, faith leaders express a desire to contribute to solving the housing crisis but exhibit skepticism about city initiatives, noting that increasing housing supply does not automatically equate to affordability. They emphasize the need for a nuanced understanding of housing policies, recognizing that simply building more units does not guarantee that they will be affordable for the community
- In a recent meeting which focused on affordable housing, participants expressed concerns about height restrictions and neighborhood development. A developer, when asked about their preference for development locations, revealed a tendency to favor cheaper land in the outer boroughs over Midtown Manhattan, which raises questions about the feasibility of affordable housing in prime areas
- The conversation emphasized the need for advocates to clarify their goals regarding affordable housing policies. Participants stressed the importance of proposing actionable policy changes to the Department of City Planning and the mayor’s office while also developing alternative plans if their proposals are not adopted. Community-led initiatives were highlighted as essential, with calls for local input and leadership in shaping housing solutions
- Additionally, the discussion included insights on how small-scale, incremental housing development could alleviate the affordable housing crisis. It was noted that while there is a surplus of high-end apartments, there is a significant lack of affordable options. The idea of engaging with organizations that promote small developer education was also suggested as a way to create more affordable housing
- There is a necessity for community involvement and innovative strategies to address the affordable housing shortage, while recognizing the challenges posed by existing market dynamics and political indifference
DISCUSSION
- The discussion revolves around the definition of affordable housing, specifically in the context of New York City, where the standard is set at 80% of the Area Median Income (AMI). This definition has been criticized as being misleading, particularly because the AMI for the region is inflated due to the inclusion of high-income areas, such as parts of Westchester County. Participants in the conversation agree that the current calculation does not accurately reflect the economic realities for many residents in New York City and surrounding areas
- There is mention of a proposed bill in Congress (HR 7739) aimed at recalibrating the way AMI is calculated for New York City, potentially excluding inflated regions to create a more realistic measure. Several speakers express frustration with the term “affordable housing” itself, suggesting it should be replaced with clearer monetary calculations that reflect actual housing costs and incomes in specific neighborhoods. The conversation highlights the need for political will and community advocacy to push for changes in how housing affordability is defined and measured, emphasizing that the current system serves to benefit developers more than the residents in need of affordable housing
- John, a student who graduated in 2021, has been actively involved in efforts to address affordable housing challenges in urban areas. He worked for an international developer that specializes in transforming unconventional spaces into affordable housing through prefabricated construction methods, demonstrating that such projects can be executed at realistic costs. Despite initial resistance from city authorities, John successfully collaborated with Urban Pathways, the organization that managed the shelter he stayed in during his homelessness in 2006, to establish supportive housing using this innovative developer
- During a discussion, John emphasized that many challenges in urban development stem from a lack of political will, arguing that elected officials should prioritize the interests of their constituents. The conversation highlighted frustrations around public comment periods and the perceived ineffectiveness of community input in influencing decisions made by city planners and officials. However, participants acknowledged the importance of continued community engagement and activism, even in the face of discouragement
- As the City Planning Commission moves forward with voting on proposals, residents are encouraged to communicate with their city council members about their preferences and desired changes. The council holds significant power to influence the outcome of proposed developments, illustrating the importance of civic participation in shaping urban policy
- The discussion highlights the importance of community involvement in urban planning and zoning decisions in New York City. It emphasizes that zoning regulations can be tailored to fit the character of different neighborhoods rather than adopting a one-size-fits-all approach. Participants are encouraged to actively engage with local elected officials, such as city council members and borough presidents, to express their preferences and concerns
- The speakers note the significance of public opinion, citing past instances where the City Planning Commission’s tally of comments reflected a greater support for proposals, which underscores the need for community members to voice their opposition or suggestions for improvement. They advocate for a constructive approach, aiming not to reject projects outright but to push for modifications that would benefit the community
- There is a call for accountability and genuine consultation from elected officials, who are often perceived as having predetermined decisions despite claiming to seek community input. The conversation stresses the necessity for mobilization, including rallies and public testimonies, to ensure that community voices are heard and considered in the decision-making process
- There is a need to encourage a range of actions—rallying, educating, and directly communicating with officials—to foster positive change in urban development that reflects the needs and desires of the community
- There is a need to highlight the importance of community engagement and advocacy regarding local housing policies. The speaker emphasizes that residents should actively communicate with their neighbors and local council members about issues such as the “City of Yes” proposal, particularly advocating for the introduction of an affordable housing mandate. They argue that there is no legal barrier preventing such a mandate, asserting that it is constitutional and necessary for improving housing conditions
- Another participant counters this claim, mentioning that mandates are commonly implemented in New York State and questioning the assertion that mandates would be unconstitutional. They express concern that the current administration is resistant to the idea of a mandate due to fears of potential legal challenges. The conversation suggests a need for clarity on what a housing mandate would entail and urges stakeholders to engage with city planning officials to understand their position on the matter
- There is urgency of community involvement in advocating for housing reforms while navigating the complexities of legal interpretations and administrative policies
- In the discussion, participants reflect on ongoing challenges related to public housing, particularly highlighting an email from public housing advocates in Minneapolis, Minnesota. These advocates, who have been active since a 2010 conference, continue to press their elected officials on housing issues, demonstrating the long-term nature of these struggles. The conversation also touches on the differences between housing markets in Minneapolis and cities with significant wealth disparities, such as New York City
- John mentions Minnesota’s zoning reforms and the efforts of a local advocate, who has created affordable housing through an incremental housing movement. This approach contrasts with the high-end developments often seen in wealthier areas, emphasizing the need for subsidized, affordable housing. The group discusses the implications of financialization in the housing market, noting that profit-driven construction leads to different outcomes than housing built for community needs
- Participants express a desire to learn from successful models around the globe while cautioning against partnerships with developers who prioritize profit over social housing needs. The meeting concludes with a call for continued dialogue focused on addressing basic human housing needs without compromising community interests
CHAT BOX
- Roschel Stearns: volunteer her email for contact.
- Rashida Tyler, Deputy Executive Director, Interfaith Affordable Housing Collaborative and NYS Council of Churches, We need to know how to effectively change the “City of Yes” to facilitate affordable housing construction. https://bit.ly/FaithandHousing, RTyler@nyscoc.org
- Alex Yong (Westside Neighborhood Alliance): asking if Dina was subscribed to the WSNA newsletter. He expressed concerns that the City of Yes Housing Opportunity (CoYHO) may not genuinely consider public input. He also invited Rob and Layla to a summit on public land
- John Massengale: https://bit.ly/COY1
- Dina Myers: Unit HRA Home, Support Unit, Mayor’s Office of Public Engagement Unit @ 5169675096, 6465997418 or email myersd@hra.nyc.gov
- John Mudd (MSCC), https://docs.google.com/document/d/1lbPEOPGpR3Tk5T5bS2af92YDMu74UMDt/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=103795313352826983129&rtpof=true&sd=true
- Robert Robinson (New School/Partners 4 Dignity & Rights): Mentioned his board position at Cooper Square’s Mutual Housing Association and expressed a negative opinion about construction in Long Island City. He confirmed his attendance at the upcoming CLT Summit. Emphasizes that housing is a fundamental need and shares insights from his personal experience of being homeless, stating that the desire for profit can be insatiable
- Peter Cook: Questions the effectiveness of current density regulations for affordable housing, wondering what changes could be made to ensure affordability is mandated. He also comments on the City of Yes initiative and its relation to Area Median Income (AMI)
- Alex Yong (Westside Neighborhood Alliance): Discusses the complexities of affordable housing in zip code 10036, where high AMI exists but limited affordable options. Critiques Senator Comrie’s previous bill for not addressing the needs of residents in similar situations. Expresses concern over the market’s impact on affordable housing and shares a connection to the proposed H.R.7739 bill on AMI fairness.
- John Massengale (AIA CNU): https://www.incrementaldevelopment.org for resources about incremental development, suggesting them to Peter Cook for further insights
- Renee: Agrees with points made in the discussion, highlighting the need to address vacancy and housing warehousing as part of the affordable housing strategy
- Corrine Francois-Pijuan (Midtown South Resident): Reacts positively to Robert’s comments and expresses eagerness for future meetings and discussions on potential solutions for affordable housing
- Rashida Tyler: Suggests looking into H.R.7739, which aims to change how AMI is calculated, indicating that it may impact the conversation about affordable housing
- Roschel Stearns: Proposes that “affordable” housing should include options for individuals receiving the lowest grants from the safety net, noting that current systems may exclude undocumented individuals who can only access shelters
- John Massengale AIA CNU: raised concerns about the City Planning Commission’s potential disregard for public comments regarding proposed changes to COYHO, which could lead to closed-door negotiations rather than open hearings. He highlighted the influence of Big Real Estate on the commission, noting issues like secret meetings and coordinated efforts with developers. John also pointed out troubling trends within Community Boards, where new members, some of whom are lobbyists for a YIMBY group, have shifted their stance to support real estate goals previously opposed
- Alex Yong (Westside Neighborhood Alliance): encouraged others to speak up and expressing strong opinions about the perceived “gaslighting” from the Department of City Planning. He shared supportive comments about fellow participants and suggested subscribing to John Mudd’s YouTube channel
- Rashida Tyler: inquired about the existence of a legal organization capable of publishing an op-ed to clarify the constitutionality of mandates
- Renee pointed out that the demolition of public and social housing is a global issue currently facing significant resistance
- CB McVay expressed gratitude for the discussion and emphasized the need to revisit the topic of bank financing for housing. He suggested exploring modified cooperative building societies inspired by historical models from Europe, specifically mentioning that while Vienna’s approach cannot be directly adopted, similar concepts could be adapted
- Rashida Tyler provided information about an upcoming interfaith virtual meeting on September 24th and shared a link for registration. She also reacted positively to a suggestion regarding retired individuals, indicating support for the idea
- John Massengale (AIA CNU) https://www.ourtownny.com/voices/let-s-give-city-of-yes-tough-scrutiny-before-we-sign-off-says-one-critic-HF3601191for articles related to housing issues, including discussions on zoning reform and financial models for housing. https://www.strongtowns.org/press-blog/escaping-the-housing-trap-charles-marohn-daniel-herriges, https://catalyst.independent.org/2022/02/28/americas-upzoning-housing/
NEXT Meeting Homeless and Housing Meeting: 9:30 AM Tuesday, October 1, 2024. Always the 1st Tuesday of every month. Contact hello@midtownsouthcc.org or john.mudd@usa.net for more information and Zoom invitations.
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